Mormons Rock

December 2, 2007

WHO are you voting for and WHY?

Filed under: LDS,Mitt Romney,Mormons — by steffielynn @ 2:51 am
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I’m curious to know who you like and who you don’t like.  It’s probably obvious that I LOVE Mitt Romney.  I was able to meet him last summer, and I think he is just great!!!  He has the morals and the strength that this country desperately needs!  (and he’s Mormon, what a plus!) 

 So lets discuss some politics!  This should be fun   🙂



  1. Anyone but Hillary; she scares me. 🙂

    Actually, if every candidate truly had a chance and partisan politics didn’t play such a huge role, I would vote for either Richardson, Obama, Romney or McCain. I know their politics vary pretty radically, but they are the only ones I think have any integrity whatsoever. Romney is probably the most qualified candidate in a LONG time; I admire McCain’s courage and willingness to take a stand; Obama is very charismatic, and I would like to support a minority candidate; Richardson is the closest to a supportable moderate of the lot. Otoh, Romney seems to be willing to hedge too much (like with his response to the Bible question in the last debate) and reminds me politically of Bill Clinton (take the stance the people seem to want); McCain is a bit too old and tired (but not like Thompson); Obama would pull out of Iraq much too quickly; and Richardson just can’t win the Democratic nomination.

    Hillary is a conniving, condescending witch (with a capital B); Giuliani isn’t even liked by his own family; Thompson is a lazy, old, lecherous opportunist; Huckabee is the perfect example of an outwardly righteous, corrupt politician (read the accounts of the Arkansas press who, almost unanimously, hate the man); Paul is a one-trick pony (at least his supporters are); and the rest simply have no chance of receiving their party’s nomination.

    How’s that as an opener?

    Comment by Ray — December 2, 2007 @ 3:10 am |Reply

  2. Hillary scares me too. Too be honest all of them scare me. I like Romney because, with him, I have hope.

    I can’t stand most the politicians they are slimy and corrupt. Giuliani cheated on his wife. I cannot stand a man who is not faithful. If he cannot be trusted by his own wife, the one person that he is supposed to hold most dear, how can we trust him?

    I like Romney, because I know what he values. That is important to me. I think he is a brillant business man. And I think he is honest. The others don’t even come close. I used to love Pres. Bush. I still like him, but he has disappointed me.

    I don’t like McCain, his whole torture thing bothers me. He wants us to be nice and humane to those who will never be nice and humane to us. I personally think we should use whatever tactics that are necessary to get info out of these people. I think having a “P.C.” war is insane. I think the media needs to be shut out. I don’t think we need to know everything. So Basically I think McCain is weak.

    Comment by steffielynn — December 2, 2007 @ 5:00 am |Reply

  3. The only thing I do like about McCain is “his whole torture thing”. I’ve known people who’ve been tortured, given a blessing to a man with inch-thick scars from torture who was dying of cancer that developed in the wounds. I’ve also done work with some of those who are innocent victims of the Bush Administration’s kidnapping policies. Steffie, I can tell you’re a great person and I sooooo love your blog, but seriously, the vast majority of the people that we torture are innocent of any crime and you can’t believe the amount of suffering we have inflicted on them. To say nothing of the hundreds of thousands of innocents we have killed in the past few years. I just can’t support any candidate who blindly demonizes hundreds of millions of people, refuses to see their very real sufferings at our hands, and then declares that Christian morality somehow justifies making them suffer more.

    I don’t necessarily attribute all that to malice, but there’s no doubt that deep ignorance on the part of Bush, Romney, Giuliani, Huckabee, Hillary, and so many others is what feeds that evil. If these folks would take a minute to stop and listen to what the vast majority of people in the Arab and Muslim worlds say, and then be honestly willing to change the course of US policy so that we don’t so readily destroy their lives, then there could be real hope. The only candidate I see out there who seems to get this notion and has developed real, well thought-out, practical policy ideas (with the input of people who know their stuff) is Obama. I don’t agree with all his positions, but his thinking is more in the right direction than any other candidate out there. Bottom line, a vote for Obama will save tens if not hundreds of thousands of the lives of our Heavenly Father’s children, American and non-American. A vote for the other major candidates in my view is simply a choice of how many more innocent people will die in the next four years.

    As for Romney – complete opportunistic flip-flopper, basically I see him as the equivalent of Hillary, two sides of the same coin. I’m just praying I don’t have to choose between those two clowns come November 2008. Plus he’s not the least bit ashamed of his anti-Muslim bigotry (rather ironic given all his complaints about anti-Mormon bigotry).

    The only Republican I think I ever could have thought of voting for in 2008, and who in reality is my dream candidate from any party, would have been Nebraska Senator Chuck Hagel. Down to earth, a serious thinker on domestic and foreign policy, inter-party bridge builder while staying true to his values, Vietnam veteran with a big conscience and knowledge of the realities of war (in a far more stable way than McCain), and just an all around good man. Heck, if nobody could get him to run for President, Obama should try to get him on his ticket for veep, really show a bipartisan healing streak after 16 years of Clinton-Bush divisiveness in the country.

    Comment by Non-Arab Arab — December 2, 2007 @ 10:16 am |Reply

  4. How did I forget Hagel? He is a really good man – and I agree with NAA’s description of him.

    Comment by Ray — December 2, 2007 @ 2:04 pm |Reply

  5. Non Arab Arab

    Thank you so much for your comment! My views come from the other side of things, my husband has spent the last three years in Iraq. I Know that innocent people are in the mix, and I find that so terrible. But I am selfish, and I want my husband and friends to come home safely. It drives me up the wall and I want to strangle the media when they report the crapola that they do. They give away the soldiers positions, they give away the time and date when an attack will take place. It’s truly insane. So of course I want a president who is strong and will take care of our men.

    Not all muslims are bad, most are good, I know that. But how are we supposed to know the difference? The bad ones send women and children out with bombs straped to them, they kill their own people. They need to be taken out. (the bad ones) How can that be done without harming innocent people?

    I’m sorry if I come off offensive, I really don’t mean to be. I want to learn, I want to know other people’s views, I may be wrong, I don’t mind being a flip flopper, I will change my views if necessary!

    And that brings us to the Romney flip flop issue. There are many who speak of this, but it seems the only thing he changed his view on was abortion. This issue to me is not important, it is not government business, so pro or not I don’t care. But the fact that he changed his position is his right as an american.

    Obama scares me, I think he could be an ok president if we were not in a war. We live in such a dangerous world now, we cannot have anyone in the presidency who doesn’t know what they are doing.

    I really disagree with everything the dems put out. I’m middle class, and we get hit SO hard with taxes. It’s insane! My husband and I both came from nothing. We started out in an small apartment, and we then bought a small house, and we have recently moved to a large home. We have never had any help from anyone. My husband works and I stay home with the kids. We have struggled but we have made it. I cannot stand people who try to take from the government, I know that if I can do it, ANYONE can!

    Those are just a few of my views 🙂

    Comment by steffielynn — December 2, 2007 @ 2:08 pm |Reply

  6. Hi Steph,
    Good choice of topic, very informative of peoples views. Here is a comment that will stir this up a bit –

    I have never voted, nope never, never even registered. I know it is kinda weird here I am 46. So to all of you out there a couple of questions. First, how would I register and how would I know what party? I am sorry but I think all politicians are poop heads(see improving my language skills).

    Comment by Ron — December 2, 2007 @ 4:27 pm |Reply

  7. Wow, that IS weird 🙂

    I registered at the DMV, but there might be other places, i’m not sure.

    You can pick any party you want, I was registered as Dem at first, but then I had kids and my views changed, and now i’m Republican. But there are many parties out there.

    So you just have to decide which party goes along best with your personal values and beliefs!

    here is a link, you might find more helpful!

    And just because you register as a certain party, you can still vote for whomever you want. When Bush ran the 1st time I was still registered as a Dem, but I voted for Bush.

    And I agree most are poop heads, but some are worse then others. Sad isn’t it! 😦

    Comment by steffielynn — December 2, 2007 @ 4:52 pm |Reply

  8. I am not even getting into this one exept to say Amen to what NAA posted. I just wish more people would really research what and how horrible our foriegn policy has been over there. I think your Husbands life would be the least at risk if he wasn’t even over there. I wish for him to be home with his family and out of harms way. I support the soldiers and I do agree as long as we are there we can’t do it 1/2 (you know what). I also agree with you regarding the evil media 🙂

    Comment by CoventryRM — December 2, 2007 @ 5:36 pm |Reply

  9. The only thing that comforts me about Romney is that when he says dumb stuff like “double gitmo” or “stay the course in Iraq,” I’m pretty sure he’s just pandering and doesn’t mean a word of it. He says what people want to hear. I’m not voting for him – too two-faced for my taste and he’s gotten into this dumb GOP debate over who has the bigger manhood which is really pathetic to watch.

    I’d be OK with McCain actually (even though his move to ditch his usual “maverick” image was rather pitiful). But his campaign is essentially a walking corpse. He’s got no hope.

    Fred Thompson was done before he started and Ron Paul is just talking crazy talk (come on! the guy wants to return to the gold standard for crying out loud!).

    Giullianni’s foreign policy is flat-out nuts. The guy is a danger to world society. Otherwise I’d be OK with him (abortion is an utter non-issue for me), but foreign policy is my top priority so… sorry Rudy.

    I don’t really like any of the GOP candidates, except maybe Huckabee. We’ll see how he turns out.

    I’ll be voting Democrat. On the left, I’m going for Obama.

    Hillary would probably be a good status-quo candidate. In spite of her reputation, she’s actually a firm moderate. She’s outright hawkish on Iraq – which I find distasteful. She’s a savvy politician. I doubt anything would change under her.

    I like Edwards due to his consumer-friendly positions. But he doesn’t look like a strong candidate at the moment.

    I like Obama a lot as a person. I really do think he’d be a breath of fresh air. I’m just not sure he’d be tough enough in a general election. The Democrats need someone who is willing to do what it takes to win. If Rudy or Mitt are the opposing candidate, the Dems need someone who will instruct their staff to secretly funnel money to an extreme religious right-wing third party candidate to hamstring the GOP nominee. I can see Hillary doing that, I can’t really see Obama doing it though.

    Of course, Obama’s big problem is that he doesn’t have a plan. Just a lot of charisma and happy rhetoric. I keep waiting for the guy to have an idea.

    Still waiting…

    But for all that, I’m still voting for Obama. I’m sick of the baby-boomer generation. They’re sooo stuck on themselves and think everything is about them. Time to retire that generation from politics and start something new.

    Like I said, I don’t give two straws what the next candidate thinks about abortion. For me it’s mostly Iraq and this cheese-brained so-called “war on terror.” After that, I’m looking at health care and consumer protection issues.

    As a bankruptcy attorney, I’d also like to see someone repeal that butt-headed 2005 bankruptcy act of legislative vandalism the Republican Congress ramrodded in while no one was looking. But I know that’s not exactly on the top of everyone’s to-do list.

    Comment by Seth R. — December 3, 2007 @ 3:40 am |Reply

  10. Coventry,

    You ever read the book “Fiasco?”

    If you haven’t, you should. It’s probably right up your alley. I’ve never been so spitting mad at politicians in my life.

    Comment by Seth R. — December 3, 2007 @ 3:41 am |Reply

  11. Gosh i’m so glad that I made this post! I was wondering if Mormons were going to be voting for Romney just because he is mormon. I’m actually surprised by most comments! I thought Seth was for sure a Romney fan! Shows how much I know. Obama huh? Interesting!

    I hope more people leave their opinions! But so far it seems like everyone agrees that our choices suck. (except I really do love Romney and I think he will do great things.)

    Comment by steffielynn — December 3, 2007 @ 4:27 am |Reply

  12. I loved Romney as a volunteer for the Olympics. I liked him as governor of Massachusetts. I rather dislike him as a presidential candidate.

    There’s a growing disillusionment with Romney within the Mormon blogging community. Mostly among the resident liberals (I guess I am one… sorta…). I won’t claim that all, or even most Mormon bloggers dislike him. But there’s this sense that he’s really made a hash of the religious identity thing.

    For the record, I’m a Truman-style Democrat.

    Comment by Seth R. — December 3, 2007 @ 5:22 am |Reply

  13. Seth

    Did you read Obama’s book “The Audacity of Hope” I agree with you I like him because I think he has a pretty good understanding of the problem. I will try and add that book to my stack to to be read.

    Comment by CoventryRM — December 3, 2007 @ 6:08 am |Reply

  14. I haven’t decided who to vote for yet, as it still seems very early in the election (11 months away). I like the fact that Romney is a successful, smart businessman and that he was successful as governor of Massachusetts. That background seems to suggest to me that he would be a capable president. I think his religion should be irrelevant to the question, but I seem to be alone in that assessment. I also think it is still a long shot for Romney to get the republican nomination, so I’m not expecting him to be a candidate after the primaries. I expect that Hillary will be the democratic candidate and, though I’m not a supporter of hers, I don’t think she’d be a terrible president.

    Comment by MCQ — December 3, 2007 @ 6:42 am |Reply

  15. Steffielynn, I’m a big Romney supporter and am involved in his campaign (in a small way) in the crucial state of Florida. By the Florida vote, Jan. 29, we will know if it’s Romney, Giuliani or perhaps Huckabee, who is surging right now. I am a traditional conservative and think Romney is the only one who is an economic, military and social conservative.

    Comment by Geoff B — December 3, 2007 @ 2:26 pm |Reply

  16. So I have a question for all of you – Why do you vote?
    I mean look at the choices – I think they all look kinda sad and lacking.

    Do you really think that your vote will make a difference and if so how and why.

    Comment by Ron — December 3, 2007 @ 7:27 pm |Reply

  17. George Bush.

    Two words that proved to me decisively, that who gets elected to President actually does matter.

    Aside from that… I vote for the right to complain about the results later.

    Comment by Seth R. — December 3, 2007 @ 9:41 pm |Reply

  18. Ron, the reason I vote is because I love my country and I want to make sure I put my two cents out there. I know lots of people who don’t vote but DO complain. My feeling is, if you didn’t vote then you have no right to complain. I do complain a lot, and I don’t want to be a hypocrite, so I make sure I vote. I think there are a lot of people who don’t think they will make a difference. But I think they will. It all adds up. I don’t want this country to go to the pits, which is where it is headed, I would be partly to blame if I allowed it to happen. I will do everything in my power to make this world a better place for my children!

    Oh one more thing, I think of the people who fought and died for my right to vote. I think of the sacrifices they made. If the people who gave their lives up for the cause could see us now I think they would be very sad. I think Americans take it for granted!

    Comment by steffielynn — December 3, 2007 @ 9:45 pm |Reply

  19. Seth, Bush may not have been the best, but he is the lesser of the two, the other choice was Kerry! He would have been worse. (in my opinion)

    Geoff, I hope Romney takes it! I think he is the only Republican that can take Hilary! Good always prevails over evil!

    Comment by steffielynn — December 3, 2007 @ 9:48 pm |Reply

  20. Go to this site and take this test. It is somewhat subjective, but the results may surprise you.

    Comment by Bishop Rick — December 3, 2007 @ 10:51 pm |Reply

  21. Sorry, BR, but any test where the result puts me with the exact same score for Giuliani, McCain and Romney isn’t going to cut it for me. *grin*

    Comment by Ray — December 3, 2007 @ 11:21 pm |Reply

  22. Ron (#16), I don’t vote. I don’t believe in it, I don’t encourage it. In fact, I discourage voting. Here are a couple of articles I wrote explaining why people shouldn’t vote:

    A basic right denied

    Why voting is so important to the State

    And here is a web page that contains a list of articles I’ve written along this line:

    Click here

    Comment by LDS Anarchist — December 4, 2007 @ 1:07 am |Reply

  23. Ron:

    I vote because I believe it to be a sacred responsibility. But the responsibility is not just in the voting, it’s in the study that you have to do to inform yourself enough about the candidates and the issues so that when you vote, you know what you’re doing and not just guessing or voting based on incorrect or incomplete information. I know a lot of people who don’t vote because they don’t have the information they need to make an informed decision. I have no quarrel with them. If you don’t know enough to make an informed choice, then you shouldn’t vote.

    But there are lots of ways to become informed. Reading the newspaper, listening to debates, doing research on the internet, reading voter information pamphlets… any one of these things can give you enough information to make an informed choice.

    I take issue with the idea that all the choices “look kinda sad and lacking.” These are successful intelligent people with a great passion for government and the political process (on both sides). We think they look sad and lacking because they spend so much time trying to make each other look that way that we end up taking the cynics view. Don’t succumb to that view. These are capable people, every one of them. They deserve our honest consideration. Our Country requires it as well.

    Comment by mcquinn — December 4, 2007 @ 1:37 am |Reply

  24. Take what you want from the test. I found many questions could be answered more than one way, and by changing your answers or weights, you get different results.

    It is not scientific by any means. It is meant to educate people on what candidates stand for and to make you think about issues you may not have really thought thru yourself.

    No matter how I changed my answers/weights, both Hillary and Romney were middle of the pack for me.

    Comment by Bishop Rick — December 4, 2007 @ 1:38 am |Reply

  25. I should vote for Dodd, don’t know much or anything about him Obama and Hillary tied for 2nd

    Comment by CoventryRM — December 4, 2007 @ 1:47 am |Reply

  26. #23 – That was my experience, as well. My closest matches were Republicans, which doesn’t surprise me much. Duncan Hunter was the top choice. On the Democratic side, Richardson was top (again, no surprise) – with the major candidates all having the exact same score.

    All it tells me is that none of the leading candidates reflect my own views very well.

    Comment by Ray — December 4, 2007 @ 2:20 am |Reply

  27. wow that was a loaded question…and I’m suprized by the mildness in everyones comments, Steffy you just love to stir the pot don’t ya girly? but we love ya
    I’m not 100% in my decision yet, I’m not liking anyone really…I guess that I’ll go with the lesser of the evils.

    Comment by cowgalutah — December 4, 2007 @ 3:17 am |Reply

  28. BR

    That was so fun! Especially because Mitt came up as my top choice! We only disagree on two issues! He scored a 41, my next guy was Duncan hunter with a score of 33 and the Tancredo with a 31.

    That was sweet! Thanks for the link!!!!!

    Cowgalutah, take the test, maybe it will help 🙂

    Comment by steffielynn — December 4, 2007 @ 4:02 am |Reply

  29. […] 2008 election. Issues that seem to be important to me must become prioritized. Reading a post on Mormons Rock I found a link to a site that helps break down the issues and lets you select the importance of the […]

    Pingback by Running for President in 2008 « My life — December 4, 2007 @ 6:07 pm |Reply

  30. OK I took the test and I’m still scared!
    but it was informative…


    Comment by cowgalutah — December 4, 2007 @ 6:10 pm |Reply

  31. I’m going to have to say I would vote for Mitt Romney, not because he’s mormon. I would never vote for someone because of there religion, nor would I vote against them. I would vote for him because he’s intelligent, he doesn’t beat around the bush and doesn’t change his opinion. That is something that is very much needed in this country and I just think he’s going to be the type of guy that can bring a facelift to the country.
    now – do I think he’s going to win? No, but I sure wish I could be here to watch the whole thing go down next year!

    Comment by sunshine123186 — December 4, 2007 @ 8:10 pm |Reply

  32. Hoping for some direction, I plan to take the above mentioned test at some point. At the moment, Romney is my top choice, not because of his religion but because of his track record and his integrity…especially when stacked up against the others. Will he win? I don’t know, but I’ve observed that he’s doing surprisingly well in SC which is definitely the Bible Belt where beaucoup Southern Baptists reside.

    Ron, in answer to your questions about why we vote, I want to share a short story with you. About 20 years ago, I stood in a very long line with two of my restless children in order to vote. The line was outside of the middle school where the poll was, and once we finally got inside, it snaked around the aisles of the library. I had plenty of time to look at books and magazine that were everywhere, and one book that I perused was about the atrociities committed in Europe by the Nazis. The pictures were so amazing…so stark and upsetting when juxtaposed to the sunny November day in SC, USA.

    It was a defining moment for me. To live in the greatest country in the world and be able to worship whom, where, and IF we please; to be able to live where we want to, say what we want to, and become whatever we aspire to (if we have the motivation and ability); and to actually have the PRIVILEGE of voting for whomever I choose and not be afraid of doing so…well, it’s just a phenomenal feeling.

    When I looked at the picture of those skeletal corpses, I vowed to always support the USA and its government. We have our problems, lots of them, but well, I won’t go on and on. I’ll just conclude by saying that I consider it a duty and a responsibility to cast my vote, regardless of how puny and insignificant that vote is.

    Comment by marlajayne — December 4, 2007 @ 9:45 pm |Reply

  33. If I were in a state where I had a chance to before June, I’d probably vote for Chris Dodd (and not because he married a Mormon). He is among the more decent of the Democrats, has a balanced perspective on both foreign and domestic policy, and he seems to have the ability to work with people of both parties.

    If I had to pick one of the major candidates, I’d probably go with Obama, for many of the same reasons I’d prefer Dodd. I don’t personally like Clinton, and I find Edwards bordering on demagoguery at times.

    If I had to pick a Republican (heaven forbid!), I’d probably go for McCain. He’s wrong, very wrong, on the war. But he has taken principled stands on torture and immigration, and I respect him for that. There are some things I like about Huckabee too, although I’m very concerned about his lack of foreign-policy experience (about as much as George Bush had when he was elected).

    I couldn’t vote for Romney. His position on torture is a deal-breaker as far as I ‘m concerned.

    Comment by Eric — December 5, 2007 @ 4:06 pm |Reply

  34. Ronald Reagan didn’t have any “foreign-policy experience” either. But he surrounded himself with some real heavy-hitting policy-makers. Bush Jr. is ironically the same story. You couldn’t have picked a more experienced cabinet that George W. Bush’s. Cheney, Rumsfeld, Powell, Rice… Impressive folks.

    Problem was, you’ve got all these powerful personalities in the room and the skipper is essentially AWOL in his own administration. There was no strong leadership in the White House, and hasn’t been for the past 7 years. Bush repeatedly failed to reign-in his underlings and unite them under a single policy. Therefore, the personalities on the cabinet essentially tore each other to shreds.

    You’ve got all sorts of examples of this. Condolezza Rice went to a news interview stating what she thought was the administration’s position on central policies, only to have Rumsfeld and Cheney, THE VERY NEXT DAY state on national television that she was wrong. Then there was the constant infighting between the Department of Defense and the State Department. Collin Powell was basically hung out to dry by others in the cabinet. Even Rumsfeld ended up rather bitter when, after the invasion, the administration went into occupation mode against his advice and what he thought the goals in Iraq were. Rumsfeld was always an advocate of get-in, remove Sadaam, and get out. The occupation always bugged him and you can see him getting increasingly frustrated as it dragged on.

    Throughout this trainwreck in the White House, and in Iraq, Bush is completely absent. He never provided the decisive voice to unite the different opinions in his own cabinet. He was always wishy-washy and indifferent to the problems brewing on his watch. As a result, Cheney ended up with far more influence than any VP should have.

    Bush always gets criticized for being too authoritarian and bull-headed. But that’s just stereotype. The reality is that he was always a very weak leader and still is. Therefore, he didn’t have the moral character to command the powerful conflicting personalities in his own government. Ironically, behind the facade of blustering big-talk Bush is probably an even weaker political personality than Kerry seemed to be.

    The guy is out to lunch. And the US will pay the price for his incompetence for at least the next 40 years. I can’t begin to tell you how profoundly Bush has ruined our foreign policy. He really is the worst President in US history since James Buchanan sat idly by as his nation descended into the Civil War.

    Comment by Seth R. — December 5, 2007 @ 6:01 pm |Reply

  35. Sorry this is off topic, but I just wanted to drop in and tell you that you’ve been tagged for a meme! I hope you can rise to the challenge, but no pressure and no stressing allowed. Visit me for all the details.

    Comment by cowgalutah — December 5, 2007 @ 6:45 pm |Reply

  36. Well I did it – I am now a registered Republican.

    Comment by Ron — December 5, 2007 @ 9:24 pm |Reply

  37. Ron,

    YAH! And you picked the right party!!!! 🙂

    Comment by steffielynn — December 5, 2007 @ 9:38 pm |Reply

  38. Congrats, Ron! You are sure going through a lot of changes. You deserve a lot of credit for just being willing to consider doing something different than what you have previously done. You inspire me.

    Comment by MCQ — December 6, 2007 @ 12:00 am |Reply

  39. Thanks Steph and Mark that means a lot. 🙂

    Comment by Ron — December 6, 2007 @ 1:47 am |Reply

  40. Ron, I echo the others who have praised you for registering – regardless of political affiliation. I am a socially liberal (bet you never saw that one coming, ej) Republican who votes across party lines whenever there is a Democratic candidate whom I really like. As I said earlier, the linked test puts my compatibility with Republicans slightly higher than with Democrats, but I probably will end up voting for Obama or Richardson in the primary (probably Obama) and Obama or Hillary’s opponent in the actual election. No matter my vote, the fact that you might vote for the first time makes my contributions here priceless – not that I had *anything* to do with that, but that I was able to see it happen.

    I truly am proud of you.

    Comment by Ray — December 6, 2007 @ 4:03 am |Reply

  41. Shiz has never voted in a state with an open primary system. Shiz can only vote in the primary where he registered.

    I am Shiz

    Comment by Shiz — December 12, 2007 @ 5:04 am |Reply

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