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December 6, 2007

The Christmas Spirit!

Filed under: faith,happiness,Jesus Christ,LDS,life,love,Mormons — by steffielynn @ 3:07 pm
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dscf1017_2_7_2_010.jpg  Merry Christmas, from my family to yours!!!

My hope and prayer is that all who read this will feel the love of Christ, and that you will know that you have a Father in Heaven who loves you.  He loves you so much He sent His Son Jesus Christ to live and die for you.  I hope that all will have a wonderful Christmas, filled with love, happiness and family.  Merry Christmas to you ALL!!!!!!!!!! XOXO  🙂



  1. Merry Christmas!

    Comment by MCQ — December 6, 2007 @ 4:19 pm |Reply

  2. Wonderful sentiment, Steffie. Thanks – and right back at you.

    Comment by Ray — December 6, 2007 @ 6:12 pm |Reply

  3. BTW, I absolutely LOVE the holiday look of the blog.

    Comment by Ray — December 6, 2007 @ 6:26 pm |Reply

  4. WoW Steph, you changed the look of your site – cool

    I love this time of year and the feeling that it brings – Merry Christmas to all 🙂

    Comment by Ron — December 6, 2007 @ 6:49 pm |Reply

  5. Steffie

    Is it true the real date of Christmas is April 6th ?

    Comment by elder joseph — December 6, 2007 @ 7:36 pm |Reply

  6. EJ

    What the actual date is doesn’t matter (and I don’t think anyone knows for sure), infact you bring up a good point, Christmas should be celebrated throughout the year, not just in December!

    And thanks everyone for all your comments 🙂

    MERRY CHRISTMAS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Comment by steffielynn — December 6, 2007 @ 8:13 pm |Reply

  7. See, ej, even on a thread like this . . . (shakes his head with a sigh and a grin)

    and the answer is: April 6th is obviously closer than December 25th. (with another sigh, but this time with a very big smile)

    Comment by Ray — December 6, 2007 @ 8:14 pm |Reply

  8. I LOVE the new look!

    Comment by cowgalutah — December 6, 2007 @ 8:46 pm |Reply

  9. I love the new look too…and your continuing and marvelous ability to remember the importance of “a soft answer” even to those who must try your awesome soul.

    Comment by marlajayne — December 7, 2007 @ 12:14 pm |Reply

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  11. *HAPPY HOLY DAYS!* right back at’cha! (((((HUGS))))) sandi

    Comment by titus2woman — December 7, 2007 @ 4:12 pm |Reply

  12. Ray

    I’ll address this to you as Steffie is just a humble believer from her heart .

    I see you as more of an academic believer in part and maybe you will be able to tackle this ..

    Christmas and Mormons confuses me as it wasn’t practiced by the very early NT church but was adopted later under the Catholic order of things .I thought you were against the worldly pagan influences and abominations of this church ?

    Apostle Orson Pratt

    “This class of men, calling themselves Christian, uniting with the various forms of THE PAGAN RELIGION, adopting many of their CEREMONIES and institutions, became very popular, and finally some of the PAGANS EMBRACED CHRISTIANITY and were placed, as it were, upon the throne, and what they termed Christianity became very popular indeed. How long has this order of things existed, this dreadful apostasy, this class of people that pronounced themselves Zion, or Christians, without any of the characteristics of Zion? It has existed for some sixteen or seventeen centuries. It has spread itself and grown and gone into the four quarters of the earth. It is the great ecclesiastical power that is spoken of by the revelator John, and called by him the most corrupt and most wicked of all the powers of the earth, under the name of spiritual Babylon, or in other words Babel, which signifies confusion. This great and corrupt power is also represented by John as presenting a golden cup to the nations, full of all manner of filthiness and abominations” (Journal of Discourses 14:346).

    Why do you choose to drink from the same cup of wrath ( so to speak ) in relation to Christmas. I was told that the real date of Christmas was revealed to Joseph Smith as April 6th ?

    Another thing too , Orson Pratt doesn’t have a clue himself when the so called apostasy set in except guesses at 16 or 17 centuries ago from his own time.It all just sounds like the typical rhetoric from other fanatical protestants of that time ( especially Russelites – JW’s ) .

    Comment by elder joseph — December 7, 2007 @ 4:52 pm |Reply

  13. The answer is simple to me, ej. Christmas was established on the Winter Solstice to accommodate the most exuberant celebration within the empire. The intent was to unite the empire, by taking an existing pagan celebration and merging it with the symbolism of a core Christian belief.

    Yes, those of us who understand the historicity of the holiday are chagrined about the timing of the celebration (and I personally am one who deplores its commercialization), but we aren’t JW’s in that we never have rejected holidays and other non-religious celebrations like birthdays. We don’t party like others, perhaps, but we certainly like to party. Creating our own Christmas celebration around when we believe Jesus actually was born – especially when that timing coincides pretty well with Easter – just isn’t important to us. “The real date of Christmas” just doesn’t resonate with Mormons, since we can accept a communal celebration at one time even as we believe the “real date of His birth” is a different time.

    (as a “secular” example: My anniversary is mid-December, but my wife and I “celebrate” our anniversary in mid-June. Why? We met in mid-June, and we don’t want to have to celebrate her birthday, our anniversary and Christmas within a three-week period – so we change the date of when we celebrate something that “actually” is in December to summer, instead. Big deal; it’s just a celebration.)

    As to the timing, the Biblical record clearly indicates that Jesus was not born in late December but rather in the spring. Revelation places it as April 6th – and, given the lack of other clear evidence, I’m fine with that. (I see the nature and intent of a LOT of revelation differently than almost all of the mainstream Christian followers and many Mormons, but that doesn’t diminish my belief in those who receive that revelation. Truly ironically, my view on revelation is fine within Mormonism – as evidenced by my current and former callings – while it would get me labeled a heretic in most other denominations. That, however, is a topic for another thread, so I won’t elaborate in this one.)

    Finally, about “I see you as more of an academic believer in part:” Thank you, I think. 🙂 However, I don’t classify myself that way. I am inquisitive by nature; I am a critic, believe it or not; I try very hard to see everything from every side and reach my own conclusions; I do so, however, from a foundation of faith – because I have found in my life that it is such a foundation that brings me the most joy. That means that I always try hard when I hear or read something for the first time to see if there is a way I can see the “correctness” within it – even if that ends up being only one very small portion. Often, I end up rejecting 10%-90% of something – but my approach, I believe, allows me to gain something from most of the things to which I am exposed – as long as there is something new or of substance in it. That is true sometimes of things I have carefully considered previously – IF the perspective is somewhat different than what I have considered previously.

    I am not an “academic believer” if you mean someone who only accepts what I can understand, but I certainly am an “academic believer” if you simply mean someone who is well-educated and tries to think about and understand everything. My heart and experience are rock-solidly bound to the Gospel as I understand it, but my mind is constantly looking for ways to understand it better.

    Comment by Ray — December 7, 2007 @ 5:45 pm |Reply

  14. Is it just me, or does Orson Pratt get quoted a lot on this blog?

    Comment by MCQ — December 8, 2007 @ 7:45 am |Reply

  15. Thanks, MCQ; now I have to clean off my screen. That was a true spit-take.

    Comment by Ray — December 8, 2007 @ 7:48 am |Reply

  16. He must be having a good laugh too, Ray. Orson would appreciate EJ, having served in England so often. Here’s my Christmas wish: That Orson visits EJ, and they have a good long talk.

    Comment by MCQ — December 8, 2007 @ 8:19 am |Reply

  17. MCQ

    If I saw Orson Pratt , There would be bother !

    Orson Pratt Journal Of Discourses Volume: 17
    Page: 225

    “Now I want to prophecy a little. It is not very often that I prophecy, though I was commanded to do so, when I was a boy. I want to prophecy that all men and woman who oppose the revelation which God has given in revelation to polygamy will find themselves in darkness; the Spirit of God will withdraw from them from the very moment of their opposition to that principle, until they will finally go down to hell and be damned, if they do not repent.”

    Comment by elder joseph — December 11, 2007 @ 3:26 pm |Reply

  18. Bother? What do you mean by bother? No need for bother over that particular passage, EJ, it’s just talking about obedience. When God has ordained a certain thing to be practiced, he expects us to obey, or our opposition to his teaching will condemn us. If Orson were with us today, he would say the same thing about those who insist on practicing polygamy after God has told us through his prophets that they should not do so. I truly hope you will have the opportunity to discuss this with Orson. He will set you straight on a lot of things.

    Comment by MCQ — December 11, 2007 @ 3:39 pm |Reply

  19. MCQ

    What a ridiculous thing you suggest .That If Orson asks for women to marry and concieve ( sexual intercourse ) with him ..then women should obey .As if this is from God .Its too ridiculous to comprehend.

    I don’t want ever to meet Orson Hyde or any other Megalomaniacs like him.

    Comment by elder joseph — December 11, 2007 @ 4:40 pm |Reply

  20. This was supposed to be a nice post, where people say Merry Christmas to one another (even to those we disagree with) and wish each other well!

    We should reflect on the true meaning of Christmas, and love one another 🙂

    Comment by steffielynn — December 11, 2007 @ 7:45 pm |Reply

  21. Merry Christmas to you Steffie. Hope those traveling have a safe trip.

    Comment by Seth R. — December 11, 2007 @ 8:07 pm |Reply

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